is there any way to confirm this story?
i smell bs.
historic event in france!!!!!!
This is the second story I've heard recently about HLC's giving medical advice and providing medical products.
How can this be true? Are they licensed to practice medicine? Has the WT decided to go into the business of distributing synthetic hormones? Isn't that a regulated industry in France? If it doesn't work, can they be sued for malpractice?
I agree, there is reason to suspect this story is not completely true.
actually, this is part 8 or 9, i can't remember, but i thought i would number them from now on.. i am an active witness, and i want to help my friends and family.
i have had some success in trying to get them to reason, because i always state at the outset, and at the end of the conversation, that i support the faithful slave and gb no matter what.. so since i have a big vehicle, some of the older ones asked me to take them to special assembly day this past weekend.
i had already been, and i told you all about it, but i agreed.
BF,
I have enjoyed listening to your stories and very much applaud your efforts. One possible way to continue sharing your work with less risk would be to change some of the details in your stories that could be used to identify you. If the main point of the story is the same, we'll get the message. You might even put a disclaimer on the stories, stating the details have been changed, so that anyone monitering this site will know they can't trace you very easily.
Thanks for all you're doing!!
what would you do?.
bts.
The WT organization is in need of massive reform. It will be a huge job to turn that ship around and put it on a healthy, positive course. They will never offer that job to any of us on this board. (LOL) Nevertheless, they can and are being pressured to make changes as we speak. It is a long term project, but I believe it eventually will happen.
There are many pressures from current and former members (like us), governments, and other circumstances, that are and will continue to change their direction. That is what it will take, because they don't have an incentive to change on their own.
I'm actually pretty hopeful about it over the long run. I have observed that the WT leadership has demonstrated a willingness to respond to carrots and sticks. Slowly to be sure, and only after they try to wiggle out of it. But over time it does happen. Unlike a small cult run by a deranged leader, the WT's size, history, and ambitions make it a religion that can be influenced to change for the better.
http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=942508&lang=eng_news.
austria recognizes jehovah's witnessesassociated press .
2009-05-07 10:16 pm fonts size:e-mail this printer-friendly austria on thursday officially recognized the jehovah's witnesses as the country's 14th official religion, ending a decades-long struggle over its status.
I would be very curious to find out what this actually entails. With only 14 religions on the "official" list, what does that mean (other than the right to teach in schools, which they don't seem to be pursuing at this time)? With the many thousands of religions in the world, I can't imagine that all of Austria's citizens fall into just 14 religions. I had not heard the JWs were banned in Austria, so what does the official change represent? And why did the WT want it so badly that they were willing to work for decades to get it? What did they have to do to get it?
I also can't help but wonder what relationship this creates between the WT and the Austrian government.
If anyone has answers about this or knows where to find them, I would love to hear about it.
Thanks,
Mrs. F
PS - I wonder if this was done on advice from their PR company in order to improve relationships with governments. The WT roundly condemns all governments. All they need to be able to accomplish in this "time of the end" is to meet together and preach, which I'm under the impression they were already allowed to do. So what do they want to get from Austria with this "official recognition" and why? And how does it affect their teaching that "false" religion's collusion with governments is condemned by Jehovah? Does that just apply to the UN, or to all governments?
as opposed to how many gb members, wt legal, wt corporate attorneys and the powers of the wt society know it's a big scam to exert power and control over it's members ?
as always i look forward to your opinions and observations .
peace out to all, mr. flipper.
Just speculating here, but my guess is they justify everything to themselves. None who currently run the WT originated it. They all started out as victims too. Just like for many of our family and friends who are still in, it would be painful to see the WT for what it really is.
This is especially true for those who have so much of their lives and identities wrapped up in it. For those at the top, they also have a lot of status, prestige and power. It is human nature to want to keep those things when you have them, providing even more reasons to keep believing.
That having been said, I also have wondered how they could not know they are running a cult. Some of the articles that have been written to defend them against such accusations seem to demonstrate a clear understanding of how cults work. IMO they, like all cults, are able to justify the deception they engage in.
Human beings have an amazing capacity for self-deception. Those who run the WT are no different.
last year we had a "sheperding visit" by two elders (one is aged 45, another one 28).
the older one is ... how to say it politicaly correct .... is not very smart guy.... the older one wanted to stress the importance of being close to jah.
so he he mentioned he is sometimes under demons atacks, they visit his apartment, turn on the light, and the other day ... imagine ... he was lying in bed, and the demon had come and laid on him, so the poor elder couldnt even breathe ... only calling upon jahs name did save him!
I agree with undercover. There could be an underlying health condition to blame. Please suggest that he make an appointment with his doctor to discuss the situation.
jehovah`s witness`s have the most stable marriages..very few jehovah`s witness`s cheat on thier mates..most jehovah`s witness`s stay married for thier entire lifes to the same person..jehovah`s witness`s have the happiest marriages!..becoming jehovah`s witness`s,has saved many marriages..................................................my experience has taught me none of that is true.................what is your experience?............................outlaw.
I found this website helpful in discussing statistics about JW divorce compared with other religious groups.
http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/divorce.htm
Sorry, I don't know how to make it clickable.
one thing about being an active jdub is that you are never encouraged to actually think.
sure you think your thinking, but once your out, and start asking some questions that you never even considered before, it becomes apparent that you weren't.
it becomes clear that we were indeed "conditioned".. decades of sitting in a chair listening to the same thing, over and over again.
I was raised a JW from an early age. When I left, I read Steven Hassan's book, Combatting Cult Mind Control. It is a must read for any former JW. That really helped me to see what the WT had done to my mind and how to begin to heal it.
He has since written another book, Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves, which I recently finished reading and highly recommend. In my opinion it really helps to look at the JW experience from the perspective of psychology. We have to be able to fully understand what these cults have done to our thinking and reasoning ability, and how they manipulate people. I think when we understand where we've been, we are more easily able to see how to move forward.
i used to post as huxley, now it's huxley2.0.
da'd a few years back, struggled with all the things we struggle with when exiting.. .
life is getting better now, one day at a time!.
Welcome back! This forum has meant a lot to me too. The support here is invaluable.
so it seemed simple enough.
i had heard about this former witness friend of mine ( late 1980's to early 1990's ) having gone through a divorce from his pioneer wife 2 years ago.
long story short- he had been an elder , wife had the jc elders wrapped around her finger - finally the evidence came out she committed adultery and she was dfed.
He then admitted , " Well, Mr. Flipper before I called you I called your witness ex-wife to see if it was alright to talk to you to see if you were DFed or not . If you had been DFed I would have chewed you out for calling me ! "
How sad. You called him because you cared enough to see how he was doing after a difficult time, and this is the response.
He told me , " Your ex-wife said your daughters love you but the reason they won't associate with you is they feel " awkward " associating with you because you don't go to meetings.
What does this "religion" do to people? If I hadn't been one myself for all those years I wouldn't be able to believe it. The WT strips the very humanity from its followers.
